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    Hi, would someone please be able to open the below record on Ancestory please as I currently have FMP subscription. I'm mostly hoping there is a birth year/age and death date. Also does anyone have any tips on finding maiden name of a mother when your ancestor is not from the first marriage? This appears the case with Elizabeth below.

    London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
    Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
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    Elizabeth Panting
    xxx xxxx
    1854

  • #2
    Hiya, this is what the register says:


    Name Elizabeth Panting
    Death Age 26
    Record Type Burial
    Birth Date abt 1828
    Death Date 1854
    Burial Date 29 Mar 1854
    Burial Place St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England
    Register Type Parish Register

    You could try looking for her birth record in the GRO indexes, it 'should' give MMN if she was registered there... also if there are any other full siblings to Elizabeth you can also search those to confirm MMN. x



    you will need to register for free with GRO, and searching is also free. You only incur a charge if you order a digital image/PDF or cert.​ Images are £3 I think PDFs are £8 and certs are £12. It's been a while since I ordered PDFs/Certs so they may be a bit more, not sure.
    Julie
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
      Hiya, this is what the register says:


      Name Elizabeth Panting
      Death Age 26
      Record Type Burial
      Birth Date abt 1828
      Death Date 1854
      Burial Date 29 Mar 1854
      Burial Place St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England
      Register Type Parish Register

      You could try looking for her birth record in the GRO indexes, it 'should' give MMN if she was registered there... also if there are any other full siblings to Elizabeth you can also search those to confirm MMN. x



      you will need to register for free with GRO, and searching is also free. You only incur a charge if you order a digital image/PDF or cert.​ Images are £3 I think PDFs are £8 and certs are £12. It's been a while since I ordered PDFs/Certs so they may be a bit more, not sure.

      Sorry my head isn't working right atm. I see she was born in 1828... so she won't be in the GRO register. You should be able to find her parents marriage, this will then give you her MN?

      did her parents have any other children after 1837? that could be a way to go.
      Julie
      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

      .......I find dead people

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      • #4
        Hi everyone, thanks for this. No this is not my Elizabeth Panting. She was born in apprx 1794. She married Joseph Panting/Panton somewhere around 1820 and they had a child Caroline Amelia Elizabeth. The marriage record i have is 1819 for Elizabeth Donald, however parties listed as widowed and widower.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dammit6000 View Post
          Hi everyone, thanks for this. No this is not my Elizabeth Panting. She was born in apprx 1794. She married Joseph Panting/Panton somewhere around 1820 and they had a child Caroline Amelia Elizabeth. The marriage record i have is 1819 for Elizabeth Donald, however parties listed as widowed and widower.
          Hi, do you know where they lived/died etc.. I can have a look for you. x
          Julie
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          • #6
            There are two census records in London - 1841 Whitechapel - John Panting (b1763) / Eliza Panting (b1794) and 1851 Whitechapel - Joseph Panting / Elizabeth Panting. Daughter Caroline had already left for Australia before 1841 census. Thanks for your help.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dammit6000 View Post
              There are two census records in London - 1841 Whitechapel - John Panting (b1763) / Eliza Panting (b1794) and 1851 Whitechapel - Joseph Panting / Elizabeth Panting. Daughter Caroline had already left for Australia before 1841 census. Thanks for your help.
              I've found the two census, though I'm having a bit of trouble making out what Josephs occupation was on the 1851 census. I can see it says XXXX Maker.
              The 1841 gives his occupation as a Carpenter.

              I've also seen the marriage for Joseph/Elizabeth. Have you found a death for Mr. Donald in London? this may lead you to his and Elizabeths marriage. I see that she has given her POB as City of London

              1841: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/co...ecords/7835873

              1851:https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/co...929895&ssrc=pt
              Julie
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              .......I find dead people

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              • #8
                I know this is a long shot but maybe try searching marriages in London with Elizabeth XX and XX Donald, if she married around 1814 and he [Donald] had died by 1819 then that is a very narrow window to search. I have seen quite a few McDonald marriages, but atm I'm looking at Donald.
                Julie
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                • #9
                  Have you done a DNA test at all?

                  Julie
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                  .......I find dead people

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                  • #10
                    Hi Julie, many thanks for helping out. Yes I have found a marriage between William Donald and Eliz Young in 1816 and two children, but can't see a death for William Donald. Also can't see a clear birth for Elizabeth Young in 1794. This has been a really difficult puzzle to crack. How would a DNA test help?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dammit6000 View Post
                      Hi Julie, many thanks for helping out. Yes I have found a marriage between William Donald and Eliz Young in 1816 and two children, but can't see a death for William Donald. Also can't see a clear birth for Elizabeth Young in 1794. This has been a really difficult puzzle to crack. How would a DNA test help?
                      It may give you some clear pointers for Elizabeths first marriage, I did see that they had a child William and when he married he stated his father was dead. I'm a bit stumped atm I couldn't see a likely death for William Sr. either, it may be that they 'said' they were widowed but in reality just couldn't live together any more as man and wife. Divorce was very expensive back then, so the easiest option was to say you were widowed/widower.

                      I have spotted a tree too on Ancestry, BUT this person has Donald as Elizabeths MN and gone off on a tangent adding Donald parents etc... so not much help there I'm afraid.

                      I'm not that 'up' on DNA tracking, though we do have a few people on here that have more of an idea than me...

                      would you like me to edit your original title? [request] to something more fitting to your specific query? happy to do so. x
                      Last edited by Darksecretz; 23-02-25, 10:41.
                      Julie
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post

                        It may give you some clear pointers for Elizabeths first marriage, I did see that they had a child William and when he married he stated his father was dead. I'm a bit stumped atm I couldn't see a likely death for William Sr. either, it may be that they 'said' they were widowed but in reality just couldn't live together any more as man and wife. Divorce was very expensive back then, so the easiest option was to say you were widowed/widower.

                        I have spotted a tree too on Ancestry, BUT this person has Donald as Elizabeths MN and gone off on a tangent adding Donald parents etc... so not much help there I'm afraid.

                        I'm not that 'up' on DNA tracking, though we do have a few people on here that have more of an idea than me...

                        would you like me to edit your original title? [request] to something more fitting to your specific query? happy to do so. x
                        =========================
                        Yes please edit the title as you like. I just wasn;t sure how ethical it was asking for info inside a paid site. I will keep searching for Elizabeth and update here if I find anything. Thanks for your help.

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                        • #13
                          Caroline's baptism gives her mother's middle name as "Ann"

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                          • #14
                            I'm not finding this marriage on Ancestry, but it's on FS:
                            Elizabeth Young marriage to William Donald on 12 Mar 1816 in Saint Botolph's Church Aldgate, London, England, United Kingdom.

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                            Caroline was baptised St Botolph, Aldgate, City of London, England

                            Seems promising, but not certain.

                            Other trees seem to think her MN was Donovan, and Ancestry keeps pushing those records at me.

                            Link to William Donald/Elizabeth Young marriage on Ancestry
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                            Nothing profound - one witness is a witness to another marriage, too (church warden?) and the other witness is James Young.
                            Last edited by PhotoFamily; 23-02-25, 23:51.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dammit6000 View Post
                              ...This has been a really difficult puzzle to crack. How would a DNA test help?
                              Genetic genealogy is a bootstrap approach. Your match(es) and you try to find a common ancestor that could have created a matching DNA segment. Generally, the more DNA that you "share" with your match, the closer the connection (commonly known as the Most Recent Common Ancestor, or MRCA) is to both of you.



                              Of course, you have to have match(es) from the desired ancestor(s) for the technique to work. Most databases have a lot of DNA "kits" from the US, and those from UK/Australia/Canada have increased in recent times.

                              Also, there are privacy concerns when you do DNA testing. Sometimes you find relatives you didn't know that you have - some may even be quite close!
                              Last edited by PhotoFamily; 23-02-25, 23:43.

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                              • #16
                                Possible death of William Young, but he was a bachelor on the marriage record. There would have been an age difference with Elizabeth, too:
                                William Donald
                                48 (age)
                                Burial
                                abt 1770
                                1818
                                15 Nov 1818
                                All Saints, Poplar, Tower Hamlets, England
                                Last edited by PhotoFamily; 23-02-25, 23:57.

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                                • #17
                                  Possible baptism? but someone would have to say whether it qualifies for the 1851's "city of London" birthplace:

                                  Elizabeth, daughter of William Young & Ann Young, was born on 15 June 1794 and baptised on 19 October 1794 in St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster), London, Westminster, England.

                                  "Westminster, London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1558-1812"<br/>
                                  City of Westminster Archives Centre; London, England; Westminster Church of England Parish Registers; Reference: STJ/PR/1/6

                                  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61865/records/1976816?tid=177226501&pid=152651138268&queryId=37d cd432-b5c2-4adc-bac6-130ca304674f&_phsrc=eWY76&_phstart=successSource

                                  This child does not have a middle name, so might not explain why Caroline's baptism shows Elizabeth with a middle name of Ann. But this child's mother's name is Ann.
                                  Last edited by PhotoFamily; 24-02-25, 00:06.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Dammit6000 View Post
                                    Yes I have found a marriage between William Donald and Eliz Young in 1816 and two children,
                                    It would be helpful to others if you gave the full details of the marriage and the children / baptisms, otherwise all of us have to go and look up the information you already have, with the risk that we might go wrong.

                                    There's mention somewhere of the son marrying too, but again no details of when, where, who to, father's occupation who etc.

                                    I'm happy to help whenever I can, but its rather frustrating to have to start from scratch when information is already known but not fully shared ☹

                                    And on that note I'm off to start from scratch ....although I'm already puzzled by these two baptisms from the same year:

                                    St Andrew, Holborn - 22 Dec 1816, William s/o William & Elizabeth Donald, Union Buildings, Leather Lane, Tinman
                                    St Botolph, Aldgate - 26 Jun 1816, James s/o William & Elizabeth Donald, Maudlin's Rents, Revenue Officer

                                    I'm assuming the Aldgate one is the one we're looking at, and that the daughter is this one:

                                    St Botolph, Aldgate - 21 Jun 1818, Ann d/o William & Elizabeth DONALD, Custom House Officer

                                    Last edited by teasie; 24-02-25, 00:50.

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                                    • #19
                                      Sticking with the assumption that its the Aldgate / Customs House Officer you're interested in, and using the possible burial of 15 Nov 1818 from post #16, there is an article in the Public Ledger and Daily Advertiser of 14 Nov 1818:

                                      An inquest was held at the London Hospital on the body of W M Donald, a Customs House Officer, who was so much injured by falling into the hold of a vessel, on board of which he was stationed, as to occasion his death. Verdict - Accidental Death

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                                      • #20
                                        teasie William Donald jr marriage:https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/co...ecords/2312471

                                        bapt: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/co...=successSource

                                        sorry I didn't put the links in - I have a lot happening in my personal life atm. [heads nowhere!] Baptism states father is a Tinman, but marriage states he is dead - no occupation given.
                                        Julie
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                                        .......I find dead people

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